Okay, so George W. Bush has publicly admitted to ordering people tortured. "“Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I’d do it again to save lives.”"

It didn't save lives. The people that we, as a country, tortured while George W. Bush was president provided no useful intel to prevent future terrorist attacks. We used torture techniques specifically designed by countries like North Korea to force false confessions.

It saved no lives. It prevented no attacks. All it did was make petty, evil people feel good for hurting someone we already held as a helpless prisoner. We threw away our ethics, ideals, and image as the "good guys" for nothing but petty revenge for petty people.

NOW can we put the bastard on trial?


May. 16th, 2008 02:17 pm
So, this guy waterboards himself to see if it's torture. Hilarity does not ensure. He doesn't die, either.


Apr. 15th, 2008 12:39 pm
So, last Friday, George W. Bush admitted, on national TV, that he knew of and authorized torture. And not just him, but his whole "national security team". Seriously.

"At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Dick Cheney, former National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft."

And the only one who spoke up at all? John Friggin Ashcroft. But he only thought that the top officials shouldn't be involved in it. "Then-Attorney General Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said.

According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly." "

No Mr. Ashcroft, it won't. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, and John Ashcroft all were there and authorized torture. They all are guilty of war crimes. All of these people should have been removed from power long ago, and should be in prison for their crimes.

Now we know why the Bush administration was so against the International Criminal Court. Not just because of their generic hatred of any kind of international agreement. But because they were covering their own asses so they wouldn't end up in a prison cell in the Hague on trial for their crimes.

This is what the modern Republican party has come to. Even "respectable" Colin Powell was involved. These people cannot be allowed to lead our nation further into this kind of depravity. They should all be on trial for their crimes. Right now.


Mar. 8th, 2008 10:21 am
Bush Vetoes Bill Banning Torture

Man, I'm glad we have brave strong men like George Bush bravely standing up for our country's right to almost drown and beat the shit out of helpless prisoners. I feel safer already!

Last week, George W. Bush endorsed John McCain , with these words: ""John showed incredible courage, strength of character and perseverance in order to get to this moment and that's exactly what we need in a president — somebody who can handle the tough decisions, somebody who won't flinch in the face of danger," Bush said, appearing with McCain in the Rose Garden."

I sure hope John McCain shows the same unflinching dedication to making sure America can beat the shit out of helpless prisoners, just like he's helped Bush do so in the Senate!
The CIA Destroyed Tapes of Interrogations

"The videotapes showed agency operatives in 2002 subjecting terror suspects — including Abu Zubaydah, the first detainee in C.I.A. custody — to severe interrogation techniques. They were destroyed in part because officers were concerned that tapes documenting controversial interrogation methods could expose agency officials to greater risk of legal jeopardy, several officials said."

So the tapes were destroyed in 2005. Before they were destroyed, tapes of interrogations were requested by the 9/11 commission, a Congressional investigatory panel, and at least one judge. They weren't turned over to any of them. What's the CIA's excuse?

"General Hayden’s statement said that the tapes posed a “serious security risk,” and that if they were to become public they would have exposed C.I.A. officials “and their families to retaliation from Al Qaeda and its sympathizers.”

“What matters here is that it was done in line with the law,” he said. He said in his statement that he was informing agency employees because “the press has learned” about the destruction of the tapes."

This deserves only one word of response. BULLSHIT.

The CIA can easily reassign agents, so said agents would be nowhere near any "Al Queda" assassins. But even if they were such a security risk, and "no longer had intelligence value", why did they wait until the press found out about them?

"A former intelligence official who was briefed on the issue said the videotaping was ordered as a way of assuring “quality control” at remote sites following reports of unauthorized interrogation techniques. He said the tapes, along with still photographs of interrogations, were destroyed after photographs of abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib became public in May 2004 and C.I.A. officers became concerned about a possible leak of the videos and photos.

He said the worries about the impact a leak of the tapes might have in the Muslim world were real.

It has been widely reported that Mr. Zubaydah was subjected to several tough physical tactics, including waterboarding, which involves near-suffocation. But C.I.A. officers judged that the release of photos or videos would nonetheless provoke a strong reaction."

In other words, it'd be a lot harder to keep up the pretense that waterboarding isn't torture, and we haven't been torturing people, if people actually got to see it as it was done.

This is what George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and the rest of their gang have brought our country to. Impeach George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, impeach them now. And throw them in jail, along with the rest of their corrupt administration.

Spenser Ackerman has more.
The entire Republican party, both in Congress and the Executive Branch, continues to endorse, support, and order torture. Every time anything has come up about torture, the Republican party has been unanimous in support, all of the opposition has come from the Democratic party. All of the Republican presidential candidates are enthusiastic in their support for torture and more war, except for Ron Paul. Torture isn't some fringe thing, it's endorsed and condoned by the entire national Republican party.

But that's been evident for years, and because of that, I'm no longer surprised or outraged by it, but I should be. But because of their constant support for torture, I don't expect anything better from the Republicans. I do hope for better from the Democrats, which is why I get so mad when I see things like this:

The nomination fight over attorney general nominee Michael B. Mukasey effectively came to an end yesterday, as two key Senate Democrats parted from their colleagues and announced their support for the former judge despite his controversial statements on torture.

The orchestrated announcements by Sens. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.) virtually guarantee that Mukasey will be approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, to be followed by his likely confirmation in the full Senate later in the month.

Great job leading there, Sen. Feinstein. Cave of Bush's newest hack to appoint to the Justice Department. Sure, so he won't disavow torture, because then he'd have to prosecute Bush and Cheney and the rest of the administration for war crimes, but hey, let's approve him anyway! Who needs little things like the Rule of Law, or calling the administration to account for its crimes or anything like that.

Fucking Democrats. Ohnoes! The Republicans might attack you as "soft on terror" or other bullshit if you don't approve breaking our laws and torturing people! Oh, wait they're going to do it anyway, because the Republican party has gone screaming off the edge of madness. So instead of fighting for something so basic as "We're the United States of America. We don't torture people," you cave so you don't look "weak" even though you'll get attacked THE SAME EXACT WAY, and you'll... look weak, because you caved.

The Bush administration is still torturing people.

"Later that year, as Congress moved toward outlawing “cruel, inhuman and degrading” treatment, the Justice Department issued another secret opinion, one most lawmakers did not know existed, current and former officials said. The Justice Department document declared that none of the C.I.A. interrogation methods violated that standard."

Even after Congress specifically passed a law banning it. Which shouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

What's it called when the President breaks the law? And gives up our moral authority, and oh yeah, tortures people? I'd call that a High Crime or so. I think there's even a specific clause in the Constitution about what to do when the President does stuff like that.

Yeah, that's it. Impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney. Impeach them now.
Katherine has another post over on Obsidian Wings about the torture bill the President is going to sign, and the innocent people down at Gitmo. And like one of the commenters said, "What am I going to do? I'm going to go to work, come home, get dinner, sleep, and do it again tomorrow." But what can I do? The President sure as shit doesn't care. He was the one pushing for these atrocities from the beginning. The Republicans in Congress don't care, and they control the Congress. The Media doesn't care enough to even investigate this properly and put this anywhere other than buried in an editorial or on like page A58. I've sent letters to the editor to my local papers, none of them have even bothered to reply. When I discuss this with people, I mostly get told to "shut up about politics", because people either don't care or don't want to know.

So what else can I do? The people in charge are actively for this kind of evil and don't give a shit what I or anyone else thinks. I guess there's nothing to it but to get them out of power, which I've been doing parts to.

But still, fuck.
The following Senators approve of torture and secret prisons and holding people without evidence. These are their names, may they live forever in infamy. There are 12 Democrats and 53 Republicans on the list. These are the Senators who are so scared of something, either "the terrorists" or Karl Rove, that they're willing to give up their humanity.

The Names of the Damned )

The following Senators don't. There are 33 Democrats, 1 Independent, and 1 Republican on the list. At least they tried.

But There Weren't Enough )

I'm just going to link to the House summary, but 219 Republicans and 34 Democrats joined the ranks of the damned, and 160 Democrats, 1 Independent, and 7 Republicans opposed it.

Also in favor, one Republican President and one Republican VP.

The Republican Party is overwhelmingly officially in favor of torture, secret prisons, "disappearing" people, and similar travesties of justice. I can only hope that this will be something that leaves them deservedly cast aside on the ash heap of history with the other monsters, ones we'd thought were confined to the past but I guess aren't.
It was nice while we knew ya.

Also, the War on Terror is over. Freedom lost.

(Also, goddamn, that's a pathetic article, but I've found no better. "Human rights groups say..." what, the fucking reporters can't look at the fucking bill and say yes or no, this allows the president to pick people and lock them away FOREVER with no evidence, no trials, no appeals, and also torture them? Cthulhu on a crutch!)
Okay, so last week was a big public debate about legalizing torture and violating the Geneva Conventions.

And you were content to sit back and let three "maverick" Republicans claim all the press glory for stopping the bill, then give in and give the President the right to torture people anyway, instead of talking to every reporter about how the President wants the authority to torture people and trying to put SOME kind of public weight on the wavering Republicans who weren't sure they wanted to turn the USA into an outlaw banana republic that practices torture.





Sep. 21st, 2006 03:59 pm
So, Mister Bush says he only wants clarity for our interrogators, instead of those horribly vague Geneva conventions.

Well then, Mr. Bush, I have a nice clear description for you.


(Man, politics is hard!)


Sep. 20th, 2006 10:21 pm
Okay, y'know, I'm cynical about religion in general and the people who claim to be the "best" in specific, but even so, somehow I managed to be surprised when I see things like this from places like the "Traditional Values Coalition".

"The Traditional Values Coalition asked members of Congress to support President Bush's reform of prisoner treatment policies because "this is a war unlike any other we have fought -- the enemy is faceless and deliberately attacks the innocent."

TVC Chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon said American military and intelligence experts are hampered by a vague "outrages upon personal dignity" statement in Article Three of the Geneva Convention of 1950.

"We need to clarify this policy for treating detainees," said Rev. Sheldon. "As it stands right now, the military and intelligence experts interrogating these terrorists are in much greater danger than the terrorists. Civil suits against our military personnel are tying their hands as they try to get vital information which will save the lives of our young military people and the innocent."

"Our rules for interrogation need to catch-up with this awful new form of war that is being fought against all of us and the free world. The post -World War II standards do not apply to this new war.

"We must redefine how our lawful society treats those who have nothing but contempt for the law and rely on terrorizing the innocent to accomplish their objectives. The lines must be redrawn and then we must pursue these criminals as quickly and as aggressively as the law permits.

"And since this debate is, at its very core, about preserving the traditional value of prosecuting injustice and protecting the innocent, TVC will score this vote in both the House and the Senate. We encourage all of our supporters and affiliated churches to contact their elected representatives and let them know we support President Bush's efforts to update our methods of interrogating terrorist detainees in order to provide greater protection for our troops and the innocent.""

So... these people, who claim to be representing a God of mercy and justice and stuff are all for torturing the innocent. Um. Dudes. The irony abounds. Along with the stupidity and the hypocrisy.

Borrowed from Obsidian Wings

I can't even scream about these things any more. it's just "Oh, look. We're still torturing people. And the President has lawyers arguing this isn't a problem and the people being tortured don't have any rights anyway." It's no less outrageous, but it's not anything NEW. It's OH. AGAIN. AND AGAIN AND FUCKING AGAIN. PEOPLE STILL VOTED FOR THESE SORRY SACKS EVEN AFTER IT WAS OBVIOUS THEY HAD APPROVED TORTURE. People still voted for these fuckers. After they'd approved torture. Enough people found things more important than the fact we're condoning torture to vote for these people. That frightens me. Enough people found torture less important than "flip-flopping" and windsurfing. I don't understand these people. I can't get inside their heads. Well, I can sort of for a few. Like the people who believe any abortion is a murder, because I can sort of see how to them, people being tortured is less important than however many abortions are happening (of course, most of these same people are against birth control too, which is the best way to reduce abortions, but that's a whole separate topic, and makes me doubt their sincerity).

The other most mystifying thing is the Democrats. Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK, people? WHY are you not attacking the President for approving torture? Are you seriously THAT worried about Karl Rove using that to make you look "weak" and "terrorist sympathizing"? Fuck, folks. Do it anyway. Because a country that approves of torture is not America.



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